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« Quotational Therapy: Part 69 -- President Bush's 2003 State Of The Union Address. | WILLisms.com | Principles Trump Politics »

Trivia Tidbit Of The Day: Part 253 -- Seeing The Economy Through A Partisan Prism.

Reality vs. Perception-

There's something sour going on right now. Some of our fellow Americans are not being reasonable.

Look at the past decade and a half of economic ratings. Notice the partisan differences:

partisandivideoneconomy.gif
As has been the case through much of Bush's presidency ­ and in stark contrast to the Clinton years ­ public views of the economy are deeply split along political lines. Republicans generally see an economy that is thriving; 56% judge it as excellent or good. Democrats and independents see it much more negatively; just 28% of independents and 23% of Democrats say the economy is doing well.

Public perceptions of the economy were far less polarized during the Clinton administration. During Clinton's first term, positive views of the economy rose gradually, and at about the same rate, among both Democrats and Republicans. During the boom of the late 1990s, optimism soared among members of both parties, while lagging a bit among independents.

And this troubling partisan prism is far more of a factor than "class." The party differences cut across income levels, as well:

partisangapeconomically.gif

This is disturbing.

It's one thing to expect partisan differences on whether Cindy Sheehan is a deranged nutjob or a grieving mother speaking truth to power, whether Fahrenheit 9/11, Syriana, and Brokeback Mountain are important film masterpieces or preachy garbage, whether America's troops are jackbooted scumbags or worthy heroes, and whether late-term abortion is the taking of human life or merely the removal of a clump of cells.

But divergent views on the economy? On this economy? Even controlling for income?

Not good.


-------------------------------------

Previous Trivia Tidbit: Blame Bush For Everything.

Posted by Will Franklin · 30 January 2006 10:10 PM

Comments

Not surprising really. people believe what they hear not reality, cue the MSM. when all the hear is corporate scandle, largest deficit ever, rich are getting the big tax cuts, that Bush doesn't care about black people, that the divide between rich and poor is growing. They forget that, oh ya, I am doing great and so is everyone else I know!

Posted by: christian at January 30, 2006 11:00 PM

It's not so much surprising as it is disturbing. This is only really attributable to the hatred Democrats have for everything Bush. They are so blinded by their hatred and disdain that they've brainwashed themselves into believing everything is terrible, even when all the evidence is contrary.

Part of that sagging blue line are the MSM members who get to print that disdain and disregard on a daily basis.

As for that divide between rich and poor growing, well, it can't help but grow.

Posted by: Giacomo at January 31, 2006 05:41 AM

Wages up by smallest amount in 9 years.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060131/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy

Last year's increase was not enough to keep up with inflation. When inflation is considered, overall compensation fell by 0.3 percent, the first time there has been a decline since 1996, when total compensation after adjusting for inflation was down by 0.4 percent.

Maybe it has something to do with being a member of the Reality Based Community.

Christian,
So it is the MSM's fault for reporting corporate scandle, largest deficit ever, rich are getting the big tax cuts? Should they ignore these things?

Giacomo,
Don't justify your own hatred by blaming the left. As far as hatred goes you guys have the market cornered.

Posted by: thomas at January 31, 2006 08:48 AM

"As far as hatred goes you guys have the market cornered."

The funniest thing you've said to date, T.

Posted by: Hoodlumman at January 31, 2006 10:25 AM

You think that was funny, how about these Anne Coulter knee slappers...

My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.

There are a lot of bad Republicans; there are no good Democrats.

The Democrats are giving aid and comfort to the enemy for no purpose other than giving aid and comfort to the enemy. There is no plausible explanation for the Democrats' behavior other than that they long to see U.S. troops shot, humiliated, and driven from the field of battle. They fill the airwaves with treason, but when called to vote on withdrawing troops, disavow their own public statements. These people are not only traitors, they are gutless traitors.

"Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now."

We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

I have difficulty ginning up much interest in this story inasmuch as I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East, and sending liberals to Guantanamo."

Would that it were so! ... That the American military were targeting journalists."

"[Canadians] better hope the United States does not roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent."

To disabled Vietnam vet Bobby Muller: "No wonder you guys lost." - MSNBC, 1996

"My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now but I think that's because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism."

"I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote."

"Then there are the 22 million Americans on food stamps. And of course there are the 39 million greedy geezers collecting Social Security. The greatest generation rewarded itself with a pretty big meal."

On the 2004 Democratic Convention:

Here at the Spawn of Satan convention in Boston, conservatives are deploying a series of covert signals to identify one another, much like gay men do.

VESTER: "You say you’d rather not talk to liberals at all?"
COULTER: "I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days."

Posted by: thomas at January 31, 2006 10:48 AM

Michael Wiener Savage

"DON'T TALK ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF BUMS WHO LIVE IN TIN HUTS, THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN VOTE...ANYONE WHO GOES ON WELFARE SHOULD LOSE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE, THEY ARE PARASITES." [APRIL 18, 2002]

Little Green Footballers

A few weeks ago, the "minions" celebrated the deaths of hundreds of Haaj pilgrims.

*look forward to this every year.

*IIRC, dying in Mecca is the best thing that can happen to a RoPer.

*Darwin is a Muslim?

*Latest novelty item: a burkha with footprints on it. Across the front it reads "I made the Hajj and all I got was this lousy burkha"

From Captain Ed

Those are the actions of a fearful, small-minded, vulgar group of Neanderthals who have suddenly seen Homo sapiens and realized that their days are numbered.

Powertools Butt Rocket defending male prostitute/conservative fake reporter jeff gannon guckert...

"You dumb shit, he didn’t get access using a fake name, he used his real name. You lefties’ concern for White House security is really touching, but you know what, you stupid asshole, I think the Secret Service has it covered. Go crawl back into your hole, you stupid left-wing shithead. And don’t bother us anymore. You have to have an IQ over 50 to correspond with us. You don’t qualify, you stupid shit."

Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH), for calling decorated war veteran John Murtha a coward.

From Willisms

Dave regarding the Sago Mine Disaster...If anything, it seems to me that the environmentalists have blood on their hands here.

Cindy T to me

Zsa Zsa should slap you as soon as you slide black down the telephone pole. Be careful not to get a splinter.

Yes Hoodlumman, absolutely HI-larious!

Posted by: thomas at January 31, 2006 12:06 PM

If I spam this message board with stuff from Al Franken, Margaret Cho, or Ted Rall will you STFU?

And if you're implicating Cindy T for "being mean" or whatever your angle is there, try reading any comment thread on Kos or any other big lefty site.

Posted by: Hoodlumman at January 31, 2006 01:02 PM

I think the difference by party would disappear if it were examined by outlook or prospects rather than income.

e.g. Things don't look real good at Ford but the workers make a very nice income. For now.

So the UAW family, almost certainly Democratic, is likely to have a dim view of prosperity.

Posted by: K at January 31, 2006 01:20 PM

Thomas,

Maybe you missed the point of wills arguement and mine. The economy is not in the tank and I said people feel it is because all the hear from MSM is the negativity of the left. the Media can report what it wants, but you can not ignore the "reality' of its effect on people. When asked is the economy bad they say yes, when asked how they are doing they say great. Their Macro view is influenced by the very left leaning media their Micro view is reality. As far as having hate cornered, tell me please, when was the last time a liberal was making a speech at a school or anywhere and was heckeled or had things thrown at them by conservatives?

Posted by: christian at January 31, 2006 02:05 PM

Hoodlumman,
Yes, find one nationally known liberal pundit that is suggesting that the only way to talk to a conservative is with a base ball bat and i will "shut the f*ck up". While you are at it search long a hard for a more vile group than the LGF bunch or Michael Savage. Savage is just waiting for the conservative version of the Kristallnacht so he can go out and have some fun.

Posted by: thomas at January 31, 2006 02:13 PM

So, what does that mean really? I mean...someone is obviously being pessimstic, and someone is being to optimistic...

Posted by: business babe at January 31, 2006 02:19 PM

Christian,
I can name one with out even having to think about it. The local hate radio station had a support the troops rally. Rep Sheila Jackson-Lee came to show her support and was shouted and booed off the stage.

And I don't just accept as fact this right wing mantra about the msm being liberal. The right wing repeats this and repeats this until the right just universaly accepts it as reality, but it isn't. The typical media has responded to this attack by becoming totally ineffective. the most liberal of all publications according to the right is the NYT. Judy Miller was one of the great purveyors of lies building up to the war.

The right doesn't worry about the deficit becuase as intellectualy incurious as the president and his followers are they could not care less. If Our Dear Leader is not worried about it and Cheney says deficits don't matter then only america hating traitor and communist who want to attack the president at every chance care about the deficit. We in the Reality Based Community know that the deficit is going to mean sky rocketing inflation OR a collapsing dollar. Which is worse. Where is the MSM covering this story.

Posted by: thomas at January 31, 2006 02:22 PM

Thomas... You have been refering to me as Ms. Gabor. It is Zsa Zsa. I never said my last name was Gabor! It seems to me you have been asking me to slap you??? You have been personally attacking me! Saying things about a stroke etc. I am fortunate to have friends who come to my defense! ... Personal attacks are really not the way to win a debate! BUT sometimes even the best of us just can't resist taking a poke at the Cindy Sheehan's, Ted Kennedy's, Michael Moore's,Nancy Pelosi's, Howard Dean's, etc.Sometimes in this political climate it is the only way! It might help if you learn to take a joke...???

Posted by: Zsa Zsa at January 31, 2006 02:31 PM

Thomas... Are you trying to say the MSM is not liberal for the most part? Are you saying that the Democratic party has not gone so far left that it is out in Socialist territory? Are you saying that the majority of Dem. Senators are not anti-Bush and that their agenda is not out to get the President impeached? Are you saying that fighting this war is not worth the price at home??? Just exactly what are You saying? Is Abortion not the central and most important issue of the Democratic party? IF the Dems. are not fixated on abortion tell me why Alito and his wife were attacked like they were?

Posted by: Zsa Zsa at January 31, 2006 03:02 PM

Thomas has nothing.

Nothing.

Besides a copy and paste function from the dkos.

The fact that the press votes Democrat 75%+ of the time in elections yet turn around and act as shills for the GOP is laughable at best.

Thomas is no more than a troll and should be treated as such.

Posted by: Hoodlumman at January 31, 2006 03:13 PM

Zsa Zsa, Fogive me, I thought I was communicating with the Lovely Ms. Gabor who recently suffered a stroke. You ask many questions, many saying "am I saying", which I don't recall saying at all.
Hoodluman,
Sounds like an admission that you have been bested to me.

Posted by: thomas at January 31, 2006 03:47 PM

Thomas...I was asking You those questions? I am just curious?...If you would be so kind to answer I would really like to know!... I am not suggesting You ever said anything!

Posted by: Zsa Zsa at January 31, 2006 04:03 PM

I can rephrase those questions if you would like for me to?... I was once a reg. Dem. believe it or not? I never voted for a dem. for President... And at the rate the Dem. party is going I never will...
I certainly understand if you don't feel comfortable answering those questions!... If I were a Dem. I wouldn't either!!!...

Posted by: Zsa Zsa at January 31, 2006 04:18 PM

YO, THOMAS,
This doesn't meet all your specs, but it will do:
http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2006/01/censure-coulter.html

If it was inappropriate for leftie Alec Baldwin to talk about stoning then-House Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde to death (as a way of deflecting perjury-related impeachment inquiries), then it is inappropriate for rightie Ann Coulter to talk about poisoning Justice John Paul Stevens.

+++++++++++++++++

Both happened. Both are inappropriate. I think Baldwin actually added Hyde's wife and kids to his statement.

Posted by: Thomas Blumer at January 31, 2006 05:00 PM

Wow, a lot happened while I was gone. This is in answer to thomas' comment (#3)

A)"your own hatred" - You have evidence, I assume, from something I've written on my blog or in comments here or other locations, that I "hate" Democrats? I'll wait. ............ You don't, do you? I don't hate Democrats. I don't call names. I don't denigrate the opposition. I think they're mostly wrong; I think many of their ideas are bad. I think it takes particular disregard, given the history of socialist "experiments," to continue proposing them. Think of long waiting lists for medical care in Canada and the UK. I'm sure you can find others.

B) What, you mean there was a decrease in total compensation during those boomtime Clinton years? Well, knock me over with a feather. I thought that was the pinnacle of economic excellence. And look, it happened at just about the same time in Clinton's two terms. Hmmmm, makes you think.

C)It's darn near impossible tax cut when you don't pay taxes, unless you'd like "tax cut" to be the Newspeak version of "transfer payment."

By the way, don't forget about Julianne Malveaux/Clarence Thomas for examples of vitriol and malevolence.

Posted by: Giacomo at January 31, 2006 05:31 PM

Not to mention Randy on Air America asking for Bush's assasination complete with sound effects, ever listen to Franken for a couple of minutes? Tath is all you need before he erupts. Horowitz being attacked during a speech, coulter x2, Medved getting urinated on during republican convention. I mean the left is the most violent hate filled group on the planet yet fail to see it. Thomas is a prime example, attack attack attack, but then say the ones being attacked are the violent ones. Also known as deminsia.

Posted by: christian at January 31, 2006 06:21 PM

Funny how the left smear machine goes after Judge Thomas's video rental history to see if he rented any porn but in the same breath talk about invasion of privacy.

Posted by: christian at January 31, 2006 06:23 PM

Thomas, The world is waiting with bated breath to hear your utterances!

I really can't take credit for that line!... I just saw a comment that Jay Tea from Wizbang made and thought how appropriate it would be in this case! Thanks Jay Tea!...

Posted by: Zsa Zsa at January 31, 2006 08:09 PM

Oh, my audience, i love you all. Alas the two children and wife awaited. Until the morrow.

Posted by: thomas at January 31, 2006 10:29 PM

Ah Thomas, looks as if you've just admitted being bested by Giacomo, Christian, et al...

Posted by: Hoodlumman at January 31, 2006 10:32 PM

H,
Not bested, just sleepy. Old posts often don't get looked at. If any one who has a question or wants my opinion of what was requested yesterday just simply post a yes here so I know that you came back and I will be happy to answer. Otherwise I don't want to spend a lot of time answering a question that no one is going to read.

Posted by: thomas at February 1, 2006 10:01 AM

Yes

Posted by: Zsa Zsa at February 1, 2006 02:18 PM

Thomas... Are you trying to say the MSM is not liberal for the most part?

Yes, taht is what I am saying. When you see that Fox news gets 50% of the cable news viewers and Judy Miller writes for the Times and the local Houston Chronicle is completly right wing i just don't see it.

Are you saying that the Democratic party has not gone so far left that it is out in Socialist territory?

The Democrats have become very main stream. Liberal does not mean Democrat any more than Socialist mean liberal or Facist means conservative.

Are you saying that the majority of Dem. Senators are not anti-Bush and that their agenda is not out to get the President impeached?

I have not heard (unfortunately) the word impeachment used once. Are they Anti Bush? Well, I think they are much more willing to give bush a shot at what he wants to do the than clinton got from the republicans? Do you deny that?

Are you saying that fighting this war is not worth the price at home???

I am saying calling the war in iraq a war on terror is a big lie and any one who believes that is an ignorant stooge. The war in Afganistan is worth a price, the only price at home I see being asked is by student who get grants and the poor who get food stamps. The wealthy, me, have gotten big tax cuts.


Just exactly what are You saying?

Exactly what I have said and nothing more.

Is Abortion not the central and most important issue of the Democratic party?

I certainly don't think so. i am sure to some voters of both parties it is the most important issue nor do I think it is the central issue of the party, not even close. I think a problem the party has honestly is the lack of an issue, lack of focus and lack of cohesion.

IF the Dems. are not fixated on abortion tell me why Alito and his wife were attacked like they were?

I don't belive his wife was attacked. She may not have liked the questioning but so what. can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen lady. I have no sympathy. Alito seems to be of the opinion that what ever the president does is legal, that is scary.

Posted by: thomas at February 1, 2006 03:04 PM