here's a thread I started about the same thing (Iran/ map)

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59615

believe it or not, not everyone in the world is a zionist. for many reasons. today's events, for example

Remember how silent they were when elections were first held in Iraq, and those Iraqis were holding purple thumbs up proudly?

This is the exact same thing, and I know that's controversial, but here goes (this attempted explanation got out of hand length-wise):

To say "Iraq needs a democracy and is a threat to the interests of the United States and this will cost American lives to rectify" is a politically serious position. One can disagree with it, but one can't disagree by going "Republicans steal elections and hate black people and if we were nicer to the rest of the world, they'd be nicer to us." The difference between the two ideologies of Right and Left comes down to this: the Right takes politics and power seriously. But if the Left did that, they couldn't insist on the moral purity from the US that drives their more fanatic tangents and willingness to embrace conspiracy theory as a basis for a platform (we on the Right, btw, are clearly in decay, as we're doing more & more of this, and I can't read most blogs on the Right without feeling very uncomfortable).

Anyway, politically serious issues make the Left look trivial. So the "cluelessness" you're seeing is purposeful. If they addressed Israel head-on, they might have to admit things like "Hamas being bad" or "Syria not being Paradise," and they'd get hammered by Israeli bloggers - many of whom are not of the Right except on issues pertaining to Israel - who would rightfully say "You don't live there, you don't know what we're going through, you don't realize that your lack of support feels to us as a death sentence."

To be serious about politics is to realize that the world isn't perfect if left alone. And our Lefty friends will never realize that, because they have everything in this country, and don't quite realize where that comes from.

If you look at the Democrats plan for the election that was put out last month, you'll notice that there is NOT ONE WORD on terrorism. None. They have no clue (or no courage) on how to deal with the issue. They would rather live in their fantasy world of talking about health care for all Americans and alternative fuel sources (but not drilling for oil). But reality continues to burst their little bubble as it always does. And it will continue to do so right up to the elections this fall. And since they have no plan to deal with the reality of what's going on, they will lose - again.

911 was a defining moment for the left because it proved their 60's ideology of "peace, love, and understanding" completely false. It shattered it. And the ripples from it will continue to be felt for a long time because they are not going to do any introspection and modify their views (hence the US is the real terrorist/threat mantra from people like John Murtha).

I am astounded that almost on a daily basis now someone on the left says/does something that is more stupid than what someone else said the day before (like Thursday's press conference where Wilson/Plame filed suit against Bush et. al when it is so obvious that there was no ciminal activity). Where will it all end? These people are cracking up more and more and at some point I'm afraid that it's going to reach a point where they are going to resort to violence (this happened in isolated cases in 2004). I hope I'm wrong but they are so full of hate anything's possible.

It's almost as if that if they ever agree with the Republicans on anything, there will be some great matter, anti-matter reaction that will tear the universe asunder.

I really think their opposition is at that level of maturity in many cases.

Dude, read my other blog. My life and alter ego is that of a ski bum. I work from home and spend time in the desolate mountains of Utah where I do nothing but chill, ski, hang out, and hot tub. I could give two sh*ts what happens to some Zionist in Israel. My life is king pimpin'.

Or that is the way my buddies think. The way my lefty ski buddies think who are convinced that the biggest threat to our existence is smaller snowpack due to global warming which needs to be cured by huge Mass Transit projects at taxpayer expense and ensuring that all people have free healthcare like in Canada. Fair enough. But wrong.

Reality is that my little utopia is threatened by government regulations and environmentalism that shutters up the forests to protect the three toed tree sloth and by increasing government intrusion on state's rights by Clinton's laws effectively taking a huge portion of Southern Utah and making it wilderness area. My utopia is threatened by terrorists killing my family or friends or blowing up my place of business that supports my lifestyle. It is threatened by the ACLU allowing criminals to come and rape and murder my family or taking away my second amendment rights to protect myself.

The Democrats have demonstrated their "Tough on Crime" approach via the ACLU. They have demonstrated their tough on terror policies at Gitmo, for Padilla, and on wiretapping and SWIFT. They have demonstrated their economic policies revolve around ignoring Social Security and Entitlements and raising taxes to pay for more social programs like Universal Healthcare. They want higher minimum wages that will put people already at the low end of the wage scale out of work so they can turn to unemployment or crime. And they have no answers on immigration. They do not support voting ID laws making my vote likely to be invalidated by someone committing fraud, yet have Jesse Jackson campaigning in Florida and Ohio in 2004 to count every vote.

We have bigger issues than simply becoming Isolationists. We tried that in 1919 after WWI. I don't remember what happened when we ignored the world's problems to focus on our own, but I think it was bad. Terror is a building threat that makes the Cold War seem minor by comparison. Mushroom clouds will not come 30 minutes after the sirens that allow us to get in the shelters anymore. Yet the left ignores the real threats.

It's almost as if that if they ever agree with the Republicans on anything, there will be some great matter, anti-matter reaction that will tear the universe asunder.

Ask Joe Liberman, he'll vouch for that.

Justin-Terror is a building threat that makes the Cold War seem minor by comparison. Yet the left ignores the real threats.

Winston-I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this government: "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat." We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, What is our policy? I will say; "It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us: to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy." You ask, What is our aim? I can answer with one word: Victory - victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival."
- First Address as Prime Minister, May 13 1940.

Democratic Victory Strategy for the WOT--withdraw and negotiate. Have another "roadmap for peace" with Islamofacists. Invite OBL to Camp David. Try to understand why they hate us.

I do not understand how withdrawing from Iraq furthers protecting us. It seems to me that Iraq at worst case diverts significant resources and attention away from other attacks four our enemies. We have more resources than they do, but if we lack resolve, we will lose. We have to exhaust their resources and kill their armies because the war does not end until all of their fighters are dead or until we surrender.

We have killed or captured many of the mid-level and senior operatives and bomb makers from the Afghanistan and Chechnian Jihad on the battlefields of Iraq. These are not 18 year olds just starting their careers as martyrs, but the 35 year old veterans of Afghanistan, Chechnya, Somalia, Palestine and every other major conflict. The left legitimately thinks that these folks have an ideology that drives them. True, they follow radical Islam, but they are simply mercenaries that have no other career except in conflict and if not provided with the Jihadi conflict in Iraq, they would stir up conflict somewhere else so that they can get paid to make bombs and kill. And that may mean in the US or in one of our allies.

It is retarded to think short term and see a few coffins and some struggles and say the cost is too great. They watch thousands die in battles against the great Satan to kill 10 US troops and hail that as a victory. They have no problem with their 18 year old kids dying in this war, as a matter of fact they keep sending more to strap on vests with the simple hope of kill 1-2 Jews or US Soldiers. And our moonbats are concerned that 2500 people is too high of a price. They send wave after wave of martyrs and suicide bombers, knowing the war is not winnable unless we give up, yet they never give up because they fully expect that if they keep sending those waves, we will surrender. And every message we send that confirms that, whether in Somalia or in a debate on the House Floor over Iraq just encourages them to keep sending waves of suicide bombers.

WE HAVE FAR MORE RESOURCES THAN THEY DO, YET THE COST TO US OF 2500 PEOPLE IS MORE THAN MANY CAN BEAR, yet they are willing to slaughter millions. They have no concept of the value of life. That is our enemy. And many in our country are choosing to surrender to that enemy in hopes that they will stop attacking us after we display weakness and defeat to only embolden our enemies.

The right is obsessed with killing and bloodshed. The left is not. Is that a problem? Obviously it is. For the right.

The right is obsessed with killing and bloodshed. The left is not. Is that a problem? Obviously it is. For the right.

Only if you believe that. Lets not even mention abortion, lets stick to history shall we.

war of 1812 Clay..............Democrate-republican party which became the democratic party
Mexican-american war Polk...Democrate
Civil war Lincoln............Republican
WW1 Woodrow wilson...........Democrate
WW2 FDR......................Democrate
Truman...................Democrate
Korea Truman.................Democrate
Vietnam 1945-53 Truman......Democrate
1953-61 Eisenhower..Republican
1961-63 Kennedy.....Democrate
1962-69 LBJ.........Democrate
1969-74 Nixon.......Republican
Desert Storm Bush............Republican
Bosnia Clinton.........Democrate
Afghanistan Bush............Republican
Iraq Bush............Republican

9-6

LOL, ya your hands are clean. I sure wish lefties like yourself would open a history book before pointing your blood soaked finger around.

I think you misunderstood, christian. I was speaking in the present tense, as was Ken in his post. Sorry to confuse you.

Nice work on your retort, though... for a Republican't.

No blood on my finger. I did wake up one morning with some purple ink on it, however. I think it meant that I had voted or something of that nature.

Hmmm, bloodshed? Republicans? Let's try Radical Islam. They attacked the Cole and the Embassies before 9-11. Saddam invaded Kuwait (though not radical Islam). Hezbollah and Hamas constantly attack Israel. Taliban leaders execute Christians. Shari'ah law?

Yeah, 'cause Repblicans just want random wars right now so we can kill and satisfy our bloodlust.