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Islamist Elected President of Turkey

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Abdullah and Hayrunisa Gül

Turkey's military has issued a strong warning in regard to the election of Abdullah Gül as Turkey's 11th president after three rounds of elections. Gül, Turkey's foreign minister until his election as president, has a history of heavy involvement in islamist politics, and the fear is that he will install islamists to political positions throughout the country once he was elected. His wife would be the first Turkish first lady to wear a headscarf, which is seen as a deterioration of secularism.

General Yasar Buyukanit wrote on his website: "Our nation has been watching the behaviour of separatists who cannot digest the unitary structure of the Turkish Republic and centres of evil who are trying to systematically erode the country's secular structure." Political secularism is the foundation of Turkish government, established by Atatürk in 1922.

"The constitution will be my guide," Gül said during the announcement of his second bid to become Turkey's new president last week. "The Republic of Turkey is a democratic, secular and social state based on the rule of law. My primary objective will be to protect and further strengthen these principles…"

Posted by Ken McCracken · 28 August 2007 10:41 AM

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oh no!! democracy!!

Posted by: lester at August 28, 2007 12:34 PM

Ken,

Since you use the term "Islamist," could you please define for us exactly how you see "Islamistists" as different from Moslems?

Please bear in mind that Moslems themselves do not use the term "Islamist," prefering--Moslem (however one cares to spell it).

Posted by: Nathan Hale at August 28, 2007 11:32 PM

'Islamist' in this case means someone who would throw away democracy in order to establish islamic rule.

Posted by: Ken McCacken at August 29, 2007 02:53 AM

Or use democracy in order to establish Islamic rule.

Posted by: Chris at August 29, 2007 05:39 AM

Ken,

That is also the definition of a Moslem, who is commanded by his socio-political movement (cleverly diguised as a religion) to impose sharia (i.e., Islamic law/Islamic rule) world-wide.

You have read the Koran, haven't you? That part is in there.

Chris' comment is right on the money. Have you noticed that nearly everywhere that Moslems are granted the opportunity to have an open vote, they elect those who promise sharia?

I'm not trying to rag on you; I think you have made numerous excellent observations on a wide variety of issues. I just think that perhaps you might need to read up on Islam. Most of us are woefully ignorant of the baisc tenets of Islam, and how it is 100% incompatible with everything we hold dear: freedom of religion, freedom of choice, equality under the law, human rights, opposition to cruel and unusual punishment, and far, far more.

Excellent online, searchable Koran translations at this USC website.

Posted by: Nathan Hale at August 29, 2007 09:06 AM

No, I'm pretty well-read on the Koran for a kaffir. I've read the whole thing a couple of times (it isn't very long) and I read Robert Spencer etc. to keep up on it.

The thing is, as hardcore and vicious as the Koran can be, I just happen to know from personal experience that most Muslims do not in fact take waging jihad against non-believers as their main religious duty.

Don't get me wrong: I believe Islamism is a huge problem, and the fanatical base willing to wage war against the West is frighteningly large.

I also happen to think that Islam is the most regressive social force in the world today.

But having said that, islamism is still a minority opinion among Muslims.

I have just met too many Muslims of a genuinely good nature to just write them all off.

Posted by: Ken McCacken at August 29, 2007 11:04 AM

I am not even criticizing you here Nathan, believe me, I understand perfectly well why you feel the way you do.

Posted by: Ken McCacken at August 29, 2007 12:06 PM

Heheheh always feel free to provide your own captions whenever you like.

Posted by: Ken McCacken at August 29, 2007 01:20 PM

Maybe calm is in order. After all, you quoted Gul saying he's there to "protect and further strengthen these principles..." (secular and social state based on the rule of law).

Unlike GW Bush, who was (s)elected and overturned the constitution and will make himself dictator for life after planning 9/11. /jadegold, lester, et al

Posted by: Hoodlumman at August 29, 2007 04:27 PM

Ken,

I, too, have met many Moslems, and all of them have been, as far as I can tell, good, kindhearted people. They aren't my concern. Islam is.

The people we've met are probably "cultural Moslems": people who were born into Islam but don't really believe. They may go to mosque on occasion, and perform other Islamic duties, if only to save their own lives: the Islamic punishment for apostasy is death, and Moslems carry out this punishment with zeal.

Even if people like the Moslems we've met aren't a concern, what's to guarantee that their children won't go jihadi on us--as has happened not only in the US, but most famously in London? The 7/7 mass murder/terror attacks were carried out by UK-born children of Moslem immigrants and one British convert.

In the US, Moslems from all over the Middle East, as well as from Central & South America, Europe, and elsewhere, have been involved terrorist attacks, both successful and thwarted. American converts and the children of immigrants have also made, or planned, attacks. They have been as young as teens and as old as family men with children and wives--sometimes pregnant wives. They come from all walks of life.

The fact of the matter is that while most Moslems are not terrorists, most terrorists are Moslems. Their socio-political movement disguised as a religion commands them to carry out violent attacks upon unbelievers; it promises the greatest rewards in the afterlife for those who die for their faith. Western civilization, with its many un- and anti-Islamic elements, brings out the jihadi in far too many Moslems for us to be safe with them among us.

We are under no obligation whatsoever to allow into our country those whose values are in conflict with our own. During the Cold War, we didn't let citizens of Communist countries in; we knew that their ideology was a threat to our own. Islam has a 14-century-long track record of hostility to our culture and civilization; furthermore, given Moslems' belief that the Koran is the literal, unchangeable word of Allah, and that that word calls for our destruction, submission, or conversion--they don't care which--there is no reason to believe that this will ever change.

So, sorry to have wandered so far, but to get back to the point, the "difference" between Islam and Islamism is illusory. "Islamism" is a term and concept created by liberal Westerners for the consumption of liberal Westerners, so that they could continue to deceive themselves about Islam. By making a non-existent distinction, they can continue to think that Islam is fine, and that the mass immigration of Moslems into the West is not harmful and can continue. If it's only "Islamists" who are a danger, then they don't have to face the fact that there is a group that should be discriminated against--if only for our own survival. By not facing this reality, liberals are able to avoid the cognitive dissonance that would arise if they acknowledged the need to keep Moslems out--a dissonance that would attack, and possibly destroy, their belief in non-discrimination and, ultimately, liberalism.

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